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-Rolling.
-We're rolling on him.
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Okay. We're going, guys?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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Okay, so, Alexei,
I want to talk about something
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that we sort of touched
on this morning.
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And you might hate this,
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but I really want you
to think about it.
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If you are killed,
if this does happen,
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what message
do you leave behind
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to the Russian people?
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Oh, come on, Daniel.
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No.
No way.
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It's like you're making a movie
for the case of my death.
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Like, again, I'm ready
to answer your question,
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but please let it be
another movie.
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Movie number two.
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Like, let's make a trailer
out of this movie,
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and in the case
I would be killed,
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let's make
a boring movie of memory.
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Alexei Navalny is stepping back
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into another showdown
with the Kremlin.
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What to do with Navalny
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presents a conundrum
for the Kremlin.
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Let him go and risk
looking weak or lock him up
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knowing it could turn him
into a political martyr.
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Hi.
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Are you not scared,
Alexei?
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What do you expect
in Moscow?
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Unexpectedly,
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Vladimir Putin
has a genuine challenger.
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A handsome 41-year-old lawyer,
Alexei Navalny,
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who has chosen one of the most
dangerous occupations
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in the world --
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running against the man
who controls the Kremlin.
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More than any other
opposition figure in Russia,
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Alexei Navalny gets
ordinary people active protest.
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If I want to fight Putin,
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if I want to be
a leader of a country,
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I have to do something
practical about it.
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Well, uh, I have to kind
of organize people.
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I was banned from everything.
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Television, banned.
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Newspapers, blacklisted.
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Rallies, forbidden.
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I realized,
I can do a lot on my own
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with the support
of my wife, Yulia.
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Just small group of people,
I can rely on.
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Zero money, a lot of work.
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Internet and that's it.
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His youngest fans
have turned to TikTok,
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which has been crucial
in spreading the word.
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Navalny's
posted hundreds of videos
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about his
corruption investigations,
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and they're wildly popular.
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The Kremlin hates Navalny
so much
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that they literally refuse
to say his name.
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Our office was raided,
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and they just confiscated
everything.
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Everything.
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They splash a toxic liquid
to my face
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and my first
thought was "Jesus.
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I will be some kind of monster
until the end of my days."
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As I became more and more
famous guy,
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I was totally sure that my life
became safer and safer
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because I am kind of famous guy.
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And it would be problematic
for them just to kill me.
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And, boy,
were you wrong.
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Yes. I was very wrong.
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So, we went to Siberia
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to make a nice movie
about local corruption.
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I expected a lot of police.
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I expected a lot of people
who'd try to prevent
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our filming,
confiscate our cameras
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or just break our cameras
or try to beat us.
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I expected that sort of things,
and I was very surprised like,
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"Hmm, why is nobody here?
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Why is there kind of --"
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I even -- I even have
this strange feeling
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like a --
like a lack of respect.
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"Seriously?
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I'm here,
and where is my police?"
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The whole trip was
the smoothest trip
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I ever had in regions.
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I am a kind of slave
of Thursdays,
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because on Thursday,
I have my online YouTube show.
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And then weekend, I can spend
with my family
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before another trip
to another region.
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I was going home and then...
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I died.
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Passengers on his flight
from Siberia
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heard Alexei Navalny
cry out in agony.
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Other passengers filming
just after the plane
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makes an emergency
landing in Siberia.
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Navalny then rushed
to the hospital
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where he was
put on a ventilator.
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His spokeswoman saying
Navalny was poisoned.
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His wife raced to be
by his side.
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We've come to the conclusion
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that judging by the fact
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there were no poisons
found in his blood
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or no other
biological materials,
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he has a metabolic disorder,
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lowering of blood sugar levels
to be specific.
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We're hearing state news
agencies here that are backed
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by the Kremlin suggesting
that hallucinogenic drugs
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may be involved
but not poisoning.
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This morning,
an air ambulance
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from a German charity landed.
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We have to make sure
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his condition
is completely stable.
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We cannot transfer him
in this state
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even if his family
have consented to it.
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The moment when I heard the news
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that Navalny was poisoned,
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my first thought was,
"Can this be the Kremlin?
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Would they be so dumb to try
to kill an opposition figure?
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The main opposition figure?"
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I was skeptical.
I thought, "Hmm.
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Maybe it's one
of the many oligarchs
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on whose feet he has stepped.
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Either it's
a state-ordered attack
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or it is somebody
who is trying
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to assassinate
opposition figures
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in order to appease Putin."
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The closest anyone's come
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to tracing a poisoning
to Vladimir Putin --
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The 2018 attack
in Salisbury, England.
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A defiant Kremlin
insisting again
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that he had nothing to do with
the brazen assassination attempt
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of former Russian spy
Sergei Skripal.
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Skripal was poisoned
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by the military-grade
nerve agent Novichok.
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The insidiousness
of Novichok is that
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it actually starts switching off
your nerve connectors
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in your body one-by-one.
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If it's dosed properly, it will
just turn you off as a body.
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But then within hours,
any trace, it will disappear.
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So it will always, forever look
like it was a natural death.
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And this is why it appears to be
the preferred form of killing
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for people whose death will be
under public scrutiny,
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such as Navalny.
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There was a lot of pressure
for us
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to start investigating.
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Media departments in Russia
reached out to us
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and said, "Can you help?"
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We looked at it, and we thought,
"There's no hope in hell
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we can investigate a crime
that happened in Russia
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in the remote corners
of Siberia,
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sitting here
comfortably in Europe."
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We didn't even try
in the beginning.
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Alexei Navalny arrives
at this hospital in Berlin
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with his wife, Yulia.
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A spokesperson tweeted,
"The struggle for Alexei's life
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and health is just beginning.
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Here at the hospital,
both inside and out,
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he'll be watched."
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To have your dad,
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an opposition leader
being poisoned
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by we don't know what,
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we don't know how,
we don't know when,
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and just be
in a random hospital.
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It was just...
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It was surreal.
It was literally like a book.
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Hello.
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The doctors assured
they can't say anything
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about his brain
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to which extent he will recover
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even if they manage
to wake him up.
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Many millions
of Navalny supporters
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were trying to figure out
how to help.
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We, in Berlin, are a small team.
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We had to dive into, like,
actually getting things done.
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We all were very skeptical
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about investigating
Alexei's poisoning.
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As opposed to previous cases,
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this poisoning took place
on the Russian soil,
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so no one is going
to share CCTV footage with us.
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We're not going to have
fancy videos
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from the airport where
the poisoners fly in and out.
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And as much as it hurts
to admit,
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while Putin is in power,
we'll never find out the truth.
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Yulia, how is
your husband this morning?
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It was so crazy, like it's
Putin's signature poison.
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We were actually so shocked.
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So he didn't just decide
to murder him, but to poison.
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And not just to poison,
but exactly Novichok.
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This was, like, really, like,
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leaving his signature
on the crime scene.
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When you come to a room
of a comatose patient,
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you are starting
to just tell him the news.
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Telling him his story.
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"Alexei, don't worry.
You were poisoned.
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There was a murder attempt.
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Putin tried to kill you
with Novichok."
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And he opened his, like,
blue eyes wide
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and looked at me
and said, very clear...
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"Oh, come on. Poisoned?
I don't believe it."
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Like, he's back.
This is Alexei.
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Putin's supposed to be
not so stupid
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to use this Novichok.
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His wording, his expletive,
his intonation.
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If you want to kill someone,
just shoot him.
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Jesus Christ.
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Like, real Alexei.
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It's impossible to believe it.
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It's kind of stupid.
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The whole idea of poisoning
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with a chemical weapon,
what the fuck?
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This is why this is so smart,
because even reasonable people,
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they refuse
to believe like, "What?
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Come on. Poisoned?
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Seriously?"
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Traditional journalism
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implies you meeting
with a source
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and that source
telling you a story.
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In today's world of fake news,
we don't trust sources
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because we don't trust humans.
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We trust data.
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Bellingcat is an organization
of digital nerds,
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most of us with a little bit
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of almost autistic-like
fascination with numbers.
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Every time you use your e-mail,
you make a phone call,
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make a doctor's appointment,
take a plane or a train,
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any time you use the ATM,
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every time you actually look
at the screen of your phone,
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that leaves a trace.
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In place like Russia,
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imagine the person who works
at a travel agency
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that has access
to the flight manifests,
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they're getting, what,
25 bucks a day as a salary.
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And then for another $25,
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they will be able to sell
that flight manifest
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to anybody who asks for it,
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just because they'll double
their income for the day.
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This is a whole industry.
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Data brokers are
on the dark web.
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You negotiate the price and
within a few minutes, they say,
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"Yep, I can get that data
for you by tomorrow."
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And then you have
to send Bitcoin.
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Now, Bellingcat can't pay
for that data
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because it's a foundation,
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so I have to pay
for that data myself.
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Over the last five years of me
working on data journalism,
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I would say I've spent $150,000.
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My wife has no idea about this.
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My wife suspects I've spent
probably $2,000 or $3,000.
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If she knew the real quantum,
she wouldn't be my wife.
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But she's gonna
watch the movie.
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She's not watching this movie.
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I'm absolutely sure she's not
watching this movie now.
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Wheeeee!
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Our expectation was
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once he's released
from intensive care,
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he will have a desire
to go to Russia immediately.
255
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To our great relief,
he told me,
256
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:25,377
"I better spend
several months here.
257
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I want to go back to Russia
strong and fully recovered."
258
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For the longest time,
259
00:27:58,977 --> 00:28:01,079
I wasn't sure
what to make of Navalny.
260
00:28:01,179 --> 00:28:04,482
I had always wondered how much
of an independent figure he is
261
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:08,720
or is he one of the many
fake opposition figure
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created by the Kremlin.
263
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I've criticized him on Twitter.
264
00:28:15,393 --> 00:28:18,730
I mean, he was known for having
flirted with the extreme right
265
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:21,766
in the early days
of his career.
266
00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:23,168
He'd walked side-by-side
267
00:28:23,234 --> 00:28:26,438
with some pretty nasty
nationalists and racists.
268
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Had he moved beyond that?
269
00:28:28,406 --> 00:28:31,443
Had he actually become
a reverse dark knight?
270
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Within all my career,
271
00:29:13,284 --> 00:29:18,256
I've been asked the same
15 questions all the time.
272
00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:19,657
Are you afraid?
273
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,326
Are you working for Kremlin?
274
00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:22,827
What is your family doing?
275
00:29:22,927 --> 00:29:25,063
You have a responsibility
for your family.
276
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:28,500
When if it's, foreign --
foreign, uh, journalist,
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they're asking about
nationalism and Russian March.
278
00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:34,439
And every one of them,
Jesus Christ,
279
00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:36,474
just watch previous interviews.
280
00:29:36,574 --> 00:29:37,842
Hold on.
Were there not
281
00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:39,778
a couple of Sieg Heil-ers
at that thing?
282
00:29:39,844 --> 00:29:41,346
Sorry?
283
00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:44,282
Were there not a couple
of Nazi guys at that march?
284
00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:46,484
Certainly a Sieg Heil-ers
would be a different category
285
00:29:46,584 --> 00:29:49,087
that you would not
want to associate with
or march beside.
286
00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:51,122
Well, in the normal world,
287
00:29:51,189 --> 00:29:54,692
in the normal, uh, political
system, of course,
288
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:59,197
I would never be within the same
political party with them.
289
00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:00,965
But we are creating coalition,
290
00:30:01,032 --> 00:30:04,202
broader coalition
to fight the regime
291
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:06,271
just to achieve the situation
292
00:30:06,337 --> 00:30:08,606
where everyone
can participate in election.
293
00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:10,208
'Cause a lot of politicians
would be uncomfortable
294
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:13,044
even associating or being
in the same photograph
295
00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:14,212
as one of these guys.
296
00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:15,380
You're comfortable
with that?
297
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,715
I'm okay with that,
and I'm --
298
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:21,553
I consider it's --
it's my political superpower,
299
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,655
I can talk to everyone.
300
00:30:23,721 --> 00:30:27,792
Anyway, well, they, uh, are
citizen of Russian federation
301
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:29,727
and if I want to fight Putin,
302
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,030
if I want to be a leader
of a country,
303
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:35,900
I can-- I cannot just ignore
the huge part of it.
304
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,335
Well, there are a lot of people
305
00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:39,671
who call themselves
nationalists.
306
00:30:39,737 --> 00:30:40,905
Okay, let's discuss it.
307
00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:42,473
We're living in the country
308
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:45,810
when they are poisoning
a politician and killing people.
309
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,847
And, uh,
arresting people for nothing.
310
00:30:48,913 --> 00:30:53,418
Uh, so, of course,
I am totally fine
311
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:58,189
to sit with a guy
whose, uh, whose rally
312
00:30:58,256 --> 00:31:02,827
looks kind of not
very good for me.
313
00:31:19,911 --> 00:31:22,247
The Russian media
didn't find anything,
314
00:31:22,347 --> 00:31:24,949
and German investigators
didn't have the jurisdiction.
315
00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:27,518
So we realized, "There's nobody
who's actually going
316
00:31:27,585 --> 00:31:32,090
to actively investigate this
unless we jump into this."
317
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,130
We knew that the poison
was Novichok
318
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:41,966
and Novichok, we had proven
in the previous investigation,
319
00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,469
is only manufactured
in this facility
320
00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:47,538
called the Signal Institute.
321
00:31:47,605 --> 00:31:49,908
The Signal Institute in Moscow
322
00:31:49,974 --> 00:31:52,877
works under the guise
of a RandD center
323
00:31:52,944 --> 00:31:58,650
that develops advanced forms
of sports, nutrition drinks.
324
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,451
That's the legend.
325
00:32:00,551 --> 00:32:02,320
Yet, they employ,
for this work,
326
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:05,723
12 scientists whose only
experience and background
327
00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:09,327
is in chemical weapons.
328
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:12,497
Our hypothesis --
this is the entity
329
00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,466
that actually provides
the poison for the killers
330
00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:20,104
who travel around the world
poisoning people with Novichok.
331
00:32:20,171 --> 00:32:23,174
So what we did is we bought from
the Russian black market
332
00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:26,611
the phone records for the head
of the Signal Institute.
333
00:32:26,678 --> 00:32:29,280
We looked at numbers
that only appear
334
00:32:29,347 --> 00:32:32,350
just before
the poisoning of Navalny,
335
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:34,686
and those were suspicious.
336
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:37,088
But once we have
a suspicious number,
337
00:32:37,155 --> 00:32:38,756
you go through a number
of Russian apps
338
00:32:38,823 --> 00:32:41,693
that allow you to see
how that phone number is listed
339
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,095
in other people's phonebooks.
340
00:32:44,162 --> 00:32:46,464
So, for example,
I put in my number
341
00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:49,600
and it will show up as Christo
the journalist from Bellingcat,
342
00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:52,870
because somebody would have put
my name into their phonebook
343
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,873
and that description would have
been shared into this app.
344
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,275
First number I looked up,
345
00:32:57,342 --> 00:33:00,712
showed up as
"Alexey doctor from FSB."
346
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:03,047
Well, that was interesting.
A doctor from FSB?
347
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:04,782
Alexey?
But that was not enough.
348
00:33:04,849 --> 00:33:07,952
We couldn't place a real person
behind this name.
349
00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:10,655
Then, I would look up
if this number showed up
350
00:33:10,722 --> 00:33:14,125
in any car-registration
databases.
351
00:33:14,192 --> 00:33:18,563
And we found an actual
Alexey Alexandrov who owns a car
352
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:22,333
and this number was listed
for contacting that person.
353
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,669
So, then you have a real person
with a birthday.
354
00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:26,537
Then, you look up
his passport file,
355
00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:28,406
you see his face.
356
00:33:28,506 --> 00:33:31,676
You repeat that many times with
the other suspicious numbers,
357
00:33:31,743 --> 00:33:34,912
and then you have a short list
of interesting people.
358
00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:37,181
And these became
our prime suspects.
359
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:41,886
Now, we knew when Navalny
had traveled to Siberia.
360
00:33:41,986 --> 00:33:43,921
We had the actual
passenger manifests
361
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,592
of six different flights
that had flown into Novosibirsk
362
00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:50,428
where Navalny flew from Moscow
on the day before,
363
00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:53,898
during, and after the day
on which he arrived there.
364
00:33:53,998 --> 00:33:56,768
So, we needed to see if any
of those suspicious people
365
00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,438
traveled to Siberia
at the time of the poisoning,
366
00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:02,273
and we found an overlap.
367
00:34:04,075 --> 00:34:08,112
We found a nest of wasps
we didn't know existed.
368
00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:12,516
It's a domestic assassination
machine on an industrial scale.
369
00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:15,553
I was absolutely shocked
that this was so fast
370
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:18,422
and the whole plot
disentangled so quickly,
371
00:34:18,523 --> 00:34:21,626
so I just reached out by Twitter
and said, "Alexei,
372
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:24,629
I think we may have found
who poisoned you."
373
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,768
After I had went out
of the hospital,
374
00:34:31,869 --> 00:34:35,473
I decided to move
to Black Forest
375
00:34:35,572 --> 00:34:38,643
and live in some small village.
376
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:44,148
You can just walk for hours
and not meet any person at all.
377
00:34:45,716 --> 00:34:47,752
These are my German friends,
actually.
378
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:52,255
The little pony is my friend
and donkey is Yulia's friend.
379
00:34:52,322 --> 00:34:55,827
And this is, uh,
routine of our walk.
380
00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:58,229
Come here, my little pony.
381
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,666
Isn't he sweet?
382
00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:05,002
Better than your donkey.
383
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:07,338
Everybody like
the small pony.
384
00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:08,840
It's like usual.
385
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,975
But donkey is like...
386
00:35:11,075 --> 00:35:13,144
You're scaring him.
Go away.
387
00:35:13,244 --> 00:35:14,479
Go away.
388
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:17,782
Aw, you poor guy.
389
00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:20,751
Donkey, hi.
Of course, you like me.
390
00:35:20,818 --> 00:35:22,320
Oh, come on.
391
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:25,123
This is a very
irritable woman.
392
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:28,593
Come on,
my mighty horse.
393
00:35:28,659 --> 00:35:31,195
Come here.
More carrot.
394
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:32,797
You grow big.
395
00:35:32,864 --> 00:35:35,533
They are cute,
but they are not very smart.
396
00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:37,034
So, they decided,
397
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,871
for their fence,
not to provide electricity.
398
00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:42,507
Stop. Do it.
399
00:36:03,227 --> 00:36:04,395
Ahhh.
400
00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:08,065
Yulia want an apple
401
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,568
and asked me
to take it.
402
00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:15,173
But it's Germany,
so it's someone's apple.
403
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,674
And there is a police
over there.
404
00:36:16,741 --> 00:36:19,810
I'll come there when
it will be dark.
405
00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:21,879
And no police.
406
00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:23,481
So, you're
a Russian criminal
407
00:36:23,548 --> 00:36:25,516
who arrived to Germany?
408
00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:28,653
No, it's, like --
It's okay.
409
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,755
It belongs to,
I don't know.
410
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,090
How do you know? How do you know
that it belonged --
411
00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:34,192
Because it's open place.
412
00:36:34,258 --> 00:36:36,594
There's no anything,
which...
413
00:36:36,694 --> 00:36:39,263
This is a very Russian style,
414
00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:42,066
you know, of thinking
about property.
415
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:45,236
Like,
it belong to everyone,
416
00:36:45,336 --> 00:36:46,771
because
it's an open place.
417
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,439
Just come and get it.
418
00:36:55,179 --> 00:36:57,448
The story of this guy
419
00:36:57,548 --> 00:36:59,450
who lives in Vienna
but is Bulgarian
420
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,753
but worked in Russia and that
he has all of his own money
421
00:37:02,853 --> 00:37:04,121
and he spends it all
on investigations
422
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:05,856
in Russian crimes.
423
00:37:05,923 --> 00:37:08,793
He just sounded too suspicious.
424
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:10,761
Too good to be true.
425
00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:13,130
Too...capable?
426
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,933
He sounded a bit, you know,
made up.
427
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:20,438
Are you confident
428
00:37:20,538 --> 00:37:22,707
that he is not
MI6 or CIA?
429
00:37:22,773 --> 00:37:24,976
I'm pretty confident.
I wouldn't say I rule it out,
430
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:27,278
but I'm pretty confident
that he's not.
431
00:37:31,315 --> 00:37:36,153
I was suspicious
about this guy from Twitter.
432
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:40,091
I just saw his old laptop
433
00:37:40,157 --> 00:37:43,327
and all these tables with data.
434
00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:47,732
Turns out, and I was
very surprised,
435
00:37:47,798 --> 00:37:49,834
that the whole thing
about Bellingcat
436
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:54,605
is just one smart guy,
no CIA involved, no MI6.
437
00:37:54,672 --> 00:37:58,009
He's just a-a nice
and very kind
438
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:01,145
Bulgarian nerd with a laptop.
439
00:38:30,675 --> 00:38:32,510
I will show you
photographs.
440
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:34,645
Tell me if you recognize
any of the people
441
00:38:34,712 --> 00:38:35,880
in those photographs.
442
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,635
Getting through
emotionally to Alexei
443
00:38:57,702 --> 00:38:58,969
was a piece of cake.
444
00:38:59,036 --> 00:39:01,172
Took literally an hour.
445
00:39:01,238 --> 00:39:04,175
Getting through to Maria
took much longer.
446
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,977
She was very tough.
She never smiled.
447
00:39:07,044 --> 00:39:09,814
She was the one vetting me,
whether I am a spy or not.
448
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:20,057
But we needed information
449
00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:22,593
that only his team
would be privy to.
450
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:24,929
So we found a very
workable arrangement,
451
00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:27,865
which was completely ethical
and acceptable to us.
452
00:39:27,932 --> 00:39:30,701
We agreed that Maria Pevchikh
would be working
453
00:39:30,768 --> 00:39:32,069
as part of our team
454
00:39:32,169 --> 00:39:33,904
and she would not be
sharing with Alexei
455
00:39:34,004 --> 00:39:35,539
all the information
in real time
456
00:39:35,606 --> 00:39:38,109
so that we wouldn't
be influenced
457
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,010
by the bias of the victim.
458
00:40:19,884 --> 00:40:22,653
When we discovered
this clandestine operation,
459
00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:26,390
it was so shocking that even
to us, it looked unbelievable.
460
00:40:26,457 --> 00:40:27,825
I mean, come on.
461
00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:31,595
The government is paying a whole
team of 20-plus people
462
00:40:31,662 --> 00:40:33,964
whose only job is
to poison other Russians?
463
00:40:34,064 --> 00:40:35,599
That sounds improbable.
464
00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:38,402
So we needed other journalists
to look at it.
465
00:40:38,469 --> 00:40:40,104
I would like to share
the limelight
466
00:40:40,171 --> 00:40:41,605
with some global medias
467
00:40:41,672 --> 00:40:44,608
so that is validated
by more than just us.
468
00:40:44,675 --> 00:40:46,177
So, CNN and Spiegel
are fine with you?
469
00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:47,912
-Yeah. Absolutely.
-Okay.
470
00:40:47,978 --> 00:40:50,915
That means that we need to film
exactly like a week from now,
471
00:40:50,981 --> 00:40:52,183
maybe, like...
472
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:07,198
We had a nightmare
473
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,633
trying to get everybody to stick
to the same time.
474
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:12,036
It's all timed
for a simultaneous release.
475
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:13,504
All the media channels
476
00:41:13,604 --> 00:41:16,173
are going to drop the bombshell
simultaneously.
477
00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:17,641
There's a huge debate
as to whether
478
00:41:17,708 --> 00:41:21,212
this was intended
to incapacitate or kill.
479
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:22,713
Incapacitate or kill?
480
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,816
Yeah.
481
00:41:25,883 --> 00:41:27,218
If, for example,
482
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:28,619
Navalny had laundry
returned to him
483
00:41:28,686 --> 00:41:30,287
while he was staying
at the Tomsk Hotel
484
00:41:30,354 --> 00:41:31,722
the afternoon
before he left...
485
00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:34,191
...would that be
a point of access?
486
00:41:34,291 --> 00:41:36,227
It's definitely a possibility.
487
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,663
The question is how well you
can dose the agent that way.
488
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:41,232
You put, let's say, 10 times
489
00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:42,733
the deadly dose
on the clothing.
490
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:44,235
You must be sure, however,
that at least
491
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,037
one lethal dose
gets into the body.
492
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,990
Tomorrow we'll set up a phone
with fake I.D.
493
00:42:06,056 --> 00:42:08,759
So if we can call them
through this number...
494
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:10,194
We pretend
to be someone else.
495
00:42:10,261 --> 00:42:12,930
...we can try
to prank them.
496
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:15,332
Yes, of course.
497
00:42:15,399 --> 00:42:17,868
Navalny will call
personally these poisoners,
498
00:42:17,935 --> 00:42:20,437
one by one,
and we will record this.
499
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:21,772
Hi, this is Navalny.
500
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:24,675
You may remember me
from trying to kill me.
501
00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:41,959
Alexei,
great to see you.
502
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:44,395
Thank you very much
for coming.
503
00:42:44,461 --> 00:42:48,065
Is it your contention
that Vladimir Putin
504
00:42:48,132 --> 00:42:49,967
must have been
aware of this?
505
00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:51,735
Of course, 100%.
506
00:42:51,802 --> 00:42:53,971
It could have not
happened without...
507
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:11,789
Who's the most stupid?
508
00:43:11,889 --> 00:43:14,258
Most stupid of them?
509
00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:15,793
Well, definitely
510
00:43:15,893 --> 00:43:18,996
these are Spetsnaz guys
with no real training.
511
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,833
I think it makes sense to try
to prank stupid guys
512
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:27,771
and, uh, maybe
these non-military guys.
513
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:33,344
When you were a kid,
514
00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:35,012
did you have
any political awareness?
515
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:36,347
Was this
a political family?
516
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,649
Did your family talk
about politics?
517
00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:43,354
Yes, my family talks
about politics all the time
518
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:46,757
and it was very, uh...
519
00:43:48,792 --> 00:43:53,263
They start to talk much more
after Chernobyl disaster.
520
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:56,634
Because actually,
my father and his family,
521
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,002
they are from Chernobyl,
522
00:43:58,102 --> 00:44:01,171
from the small village
2 kilometers away.
523
00:44:01,271 --> 00:44:05,009
And, I would say, 10 kilometers
away from the nuclear station.
524
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:08,045
Everyone knows that there was
an explosion
525
00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:11,548
of a nuclear station,
but news keeping silence
526
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:16,620
and so all this nuclear
and radioactive dust
527
00:44:16,687 --> 00:44:21,158
was on these fields
and they were forced to go
528
00:44:21,225 --> 00:44:25,796
to plant potatoes
just to prevent rumors,
529
00:44:25,863 --> 00:44:29,366
just to explain population
that everything is fine.
530
00:44:29,466 --> 00:44:32,069
Everything is okay!
Go and work in the fields!
531
00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:37,741
And with the first appearance
of Putin on the screen,
532
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:39,143
I just felt it.
533
00:44:39,209 --> 00:44:43,747
I have this same feeling
like I am watching TV
534
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,683
and I am watching
political lizard
535
00:44:45,749 --> 00:44:48,686
and he's looking into my eyes
and lying to me.
536
00:44:53,924 --> 00:44:55,426
This is the biggest
challenge for me.
537
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:59,930
I tried to practice juggling
about a month
538
00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,533
and because of coordination
and balancing,
539
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:05,936
because you need
some balance here, it's...
540
00:45:06,036 --> 00:45:07,738
I'm very bad in it.
541
00:45:15,946 --> 00:45:17,915
I think
he wants to make sure
542
00:45:18,015 --> 00:45:19,349
this hits home in Russian media.
543
00:45:19,416 --> 00:45:22,119
And he thinks that's best done
if he does it.
544
00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:23,754
One more time.
545
00:45:23,854 --> 00:45:28,459
So, we're not being journalists
reporting about some politician,
546
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,294
but we're reporting
about a politician
547
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:34,631
who has his own YouTube show
with over 13 million followers
548
00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:37,901
and who considers himself
half a journalist.
549
00:45:37,968 --> 00:45:40,738
Ahh!
550
00:45:40,804 --> 00:45:42,206
Yeah!
551
00:45:42,272 --> 00:45:44,308
Actually, this first time
you're lucky.
552
00:45:44,408 --> 00:45:46,243
That's a very unusual situation,
553
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:48,612
and it doesn't
make things easier.
554
00:45:48,712 --> 00:45:49,813
Mom, is this yours?
555
00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:51,215
No, you had water.
556
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:57,454
Hold my beer
while I making a TikTok.
557
00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:00,624
No, no, no.
558
00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:04,161
Just the second one,
you just are filming me
559
00:46:04,261 --> 00:46:06,230
with him and I'm asking,
"How bizarre?"
560
00:46:06,296 --> 00:46:08,999
Okay.
561
00:46:10,467 --> 00:46:12,669
Ho. Again.
562
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,940
You should remove
second one.
563
00:46:17,007 --> 00:46:17,941
Oh, we can do that?
564
00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:19,843
Yes, of course.
565
00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:21,245
This is, you know...
566
00:46:21,311 --> 00:46:23,781
I don't know how --
I don't know how to do that.
567
00:46:23,847 --> 00:46:25,949
Who's 19?
568
00:46:43,433 --> 00:46:47,704
You know that Christo call it,
"Moscow4."
569
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,040
Uh, you know
what is Moscow4?
570
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:52,376
No.
What is that?
571
00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,713
Well, the e-mail of the very
top-brass guy from intelligence
572
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,016
was hacked several times
573
00:46:59,116 --> 00:47:03,153
and his first password
was Moscow1 and they hacked him.
574
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:07,124
So second his password
was Moscow2,
575
00:47:07,191 --> 00:47:09,293
and they hacked him as well.
576
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:13,797
And so the third time,
he had passcode Moscow3.
577
00:47:13,864 --> 00:47:18,335
And just guess what was
his fourth password.
578
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:26,376
So Moscow4 is the explanation
of the stupidity of the system.
579
00:47:26,476 --> 00:47:30,347
Dasha, you take my phone
580
00:47:30,414 --> 00:47:33,083
and you'll be in the kitchen
581
00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:35,018
pretending
you're General Bogdanov.
582
00:47:35,085 --> 00:47:36,587
Could I see the...
583
00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,255
I have no idea.
584
00:48:02,913 --> 00:48:05,949
Okay, well, super, super.
585
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:11,288
Tomorrow we will
make these calls.
586
00:48:11,388 --> 00:48:14,458
Honestly, I don't think
it will work,
587
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:16,526
because, well, FSB guys.
588
00:48:16,593 --> 00:48:19,796
They supposed to be
resistant to pranks.
589
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:21,865
Uh, but Moscow4.
590
00:48:21,932 --> 00:48:23,367
Moscow4.
591
00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:26,603
Ah, yes, and then we arrange
to push the button
592
00:48:26,703 --> 00:48:30,774
and everything will be
published exactly at 12:00.
593
00:48:30,874 --> 00:48:32,976
And also,
I will publish my TikTok
594
00:48:33,076 --> 00:48:34,745
I recorded today.
595
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:41,919
And we'll have a kind of 15
minutes of shame with it.
596
00:48:44,254 --> 00:48:46,623
Okay, see you tomorrow!
597
00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:16,353
Hello.
598
00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:26,096
Now, I totally feel like
I am undercover agent
599
00:49:26,163 --> 00:49:27,831
with the wired up.
600
00:49:27,931 --> 00:49:29,499
Are you nervous?
601
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,368
Sorry?
602
00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:33,537
No.
603
00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:34,771
A little bit.
604
00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:47,284
Hello.
605
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:09,706
He hung up.
606
00:50:09,806 --> 00:50:13,577
Oh, my God,
you ruined their day.
607
00:50:13,677 --> 00:50:15,746
Not just today, I guess.
608
00:50:19,082 --> 00:50:21,718
Hello.
609
00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:44,241
Hung up.
610
00:50:44,341 --> 00:50:46,043
Maybe try it
the prank way.
611
00:50:46,109 --> 00:50:47,677
Okay.
612
00:50:51,548 --> 00:50:52,716
Hello.
613
00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:45,802
He hung up.
614
00:51:45,902 --> 00:51:48,839
That was
a freaking scared guy.
615
00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:50,574
He recognized your voice?
616
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,975
Muscle is not stupid.
617
00:51:52,075 --> 00:51:55,011
I really think a scientist
might talk to you.
618
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:56,413
1% chance.
619
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,949
Let's -- let's try to reach
some scientists.
620
00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:01,351
Kudryavtsev's interesting.
621
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,504
Hello.
622
00:57:31,414 --> 00:57:32,582
Mm-hmm.
623
00:57:47,497 --> 00:57:49,165
Mm-hmm.
624
00:58:26,469 --> 00:58:28,404
Now we got everything, yes.
625
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:30,039
How could you do this?!
How could you do this?
626
00:58:30,139 --> 00:58:32,675
So, now we know
everything like...
627
00:58:32,742 --> 00:58:33,910
Moscow4.
628
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:35,879
Oh, my fucking God.
629
00:58:35,979 --> 00:58:37,247
Actually, he's not a muscle.
630
00:58:37,347 --> 00:58:39,516
He's a chemist.
He's a chemist.
631
00:58:39,582 --> 00:58:40,550
Yes.
632
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:43,386
He spilled
the whole story.
633
00:58:43,486 --> 00:58:46,022
This is unbelievable.
634
00:58:46,089 --> 00:58:47,423
Poor guy.
635
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:49,559
They will kill him.
They will kill him.
636
00:58:49,659 --> 00:58:50,927
They will kill him,
literally.
637
00:58:51,027 --> 00:58:54,697
I think you'll be president,
seriously, after this.
638
00:58:58,401 --> 00:59:00,436
They will
definitely kill him.
639
00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:01,871
Poor Kudryavtsev.
640
00:59:01,938 --> 00:59:03,606
Poor Kudryavtsev, yes.
641
00:59:04,774 --> 00:59:07,110
Let's offer him
to defect.
642
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:08,678
Let's arrange for him
the whole thing.
643
00:59:08,745 --> 00:59:10,113
Seriously.
644
00:59:10,213 --> 00:59:13,783
'Cause I think that's
a humanitarian thing to do.
645
00:59:13,883 --> 00:59:16,352
He will be in a ditch
by tomorrow.
646
00:59:16,419 --> 00:59:17,787
They'll just kill him.
647
00:59:17,887 --> 00:59:19,255
They will kill him.
They will kill him.
648
00:59:19,355 --> 00:59:21,057
Okay, well, Spiegel
has been begging me
649
00:59:21,124 --> 00:59:22,559
to call them
since the morning.
650
00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:24,060
Can I tell them
this already?
651
00:59:24,127 --> 00:59:26,129
Confidentially?
652
00:59:26,229 --> 00:59:28,565
Are we going to publish
this conversation?
653
00:59:28,631 --> 00:59:29,799
Yeah.
654
00:59:29,899 --> 00:59:31,367
Because I think
we should wait for a --
655
00:59:31,434 --> 00:59:33,636
Putin's press conference,
at the very least.
656
00:59:33,736 --> 00:59:35,071
Sorry?
657
00:59:35,138 --> 00:59:37,607
To Putin's press conference,
at the very least.
658
00:59:37,707 --> 00:59:39,275
It is on Wednesday
or Thursday?
659
00:59:39,375 --> 00:59:40,910
Thursday.
660
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:40,637
Christo, before
pushing this button,
661
01:00:40,703 --> 01:00:44,841
I want to say
that was amazing job.
662
01:00:44,941 --> 01:00:47,710
Thank you everyone
for your contribution, guys.
663
01:00:49,479 --> 01:00:51,114
Yeah!
664
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:52,949
High-five.
665
01:00:54,517 --> 01:00:56,552
Okay, good.
666
01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:58,388
Good, good, good, good.
Let's go.
667
01:01:02,859 --> 01:01:05,728
Now an exclusive
investigation can reveal
668
01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:07,497
a top-secret mission...
669
01:01:07,563 --> 01:01:09,132
An elite team
of operatives
670
01:01:09,198 --> 01:01:11,734
has been tracking
Navalny's every move
671
01:01:11,834 --> 01:01:13,803
for more than three years.
672
01:01:23,846 --> 01:01:25,548
Oh, thank you very much.
673
01:01:25,648 --> 01:01:29,085
It's an honor for me to be on
such a big television of Spain
674
01:01:29,185 --> 01:01:31,254
and I'm very pleased
675
01:01:31,354 --> 01:01:33,022
that you are paying attention
to this situation.
676
01:01:33,089 --> 01:01:34,490
So, thank you very much.
677
01:01:34,557 --> 01:01:36,726
This scheme which looks like
it's from the movies,
678
01:01:36,826 --> 01:01:39,362
but in this particular case,
it's a real scheme
679
01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:40,430
with real people.
680
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:42,598
Putin on the very top.
681
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:46,436
In mid-August, Navalny and
his team traveled to Siberia.
682
01:01:46,536 --> 01:01:49,205
At least five members
of the FSB unit
683
01:01:49,272 --> 01:01:52,375
make the same journey
on different flights.
684
01:01:52,442 --> 01:01:54,110
Well, they can't be
tailing him now,
685
01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:57,580
but of course,
I'm sure they're trying to.
686
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,682
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
687
01:02:01,584 --> 01:02:04,854
Back in Tomsk, there was a surge
in communications
688
01:02:04,921 --> 01:02:07,790
among the FSB unit
and their bosses.
689
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:11,260
If it was expected that
Navalny would die on the flight,
690
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,598
they were now scrambling to deal
with a very different situation.
691
01:02:15,698 --> 01:02:18,034
We enter a rundown
apartment building
692
01:02:18,101 --> 01:02:19,469
on the outskirts of Moscow
693
01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:22,271
where operative
Oleg Tayakin lives.
694
01:02:26,109 --> 01:02:28,878
My name is Clarissa Ward.
I work for CNN.
695
01:02:28,945 --> 01:02:31,214
Can I ask you
a couple of questions?
696
01:02:37,153 --> 01:02:38,588
Was it your team that...
697
01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:43,326
So, you've said that you want
to go back to Russia?
698
01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:46,095
You're aware of the risks
of going back?
699
01:02:46,162 --> 01:02:48,831
-Definitely.
-Why do you want to go back?
700
01:02:48,931 --> 01:02:51,067
I don't want these, you know,
701
01:02:51,134 --> 01:02:53,669
group of killers exist
in Russia.
702
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,938
I don't want Putin
being president.
703
01:02:56,005 --> 01:02:58,174
I don't want him
being czar of Russia.
704
01:02:58,274 --> 01:03:01,144
I want to go back
and try to change it.
705
01:03:02,745 --> 01:03:05,281
Fantastic piece.
-Yeah.
706
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:11,854
-The dream team.
-Absolutely.
707
01:03:11,954 --> 01:03:14,090
-Cheers.
-Cheers.
708
01:03:45,521 --> 01:03:48,558
"He opened his mouth
to American songs."
709
01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:50,326
On TikTok.
710
01:04:01,003 --> 01:04:02,171
They are lying.
711
01:04:02,238 --> 01:04:05,007
Yeah, crazy stuff, huh?
712
01:04:05,074 --> 01:04:06,976
Crazy, funny stuff like...
713
01:04:07,043 --> 01:04:08,211
Who's he?
714
01:04:13,316 --> 01:04:14,417
But think about it,
715
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:16,219
they're talking about this
all the time.
716
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,587
They're talking
about you.
717
01:04:17,687 --> 01:04:19,989
In their version, "Ha-ha-ha,
this is very funny."
718
01:04:20,056 --> 01:04:23,059
But the main point is
they have a big problem.
719
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:24,527
Otherwise they would
not launch it.
720
01:04:24,594 --> 01:04:25,728
Yep. Right, right, right.
721
01:04:25,828 --> 01:04:27,096
Because, well,
it's first channel.
722
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:28,531
They allowed the state
number-one channel
723
01:04:28,598 --> 01:04:30,366
that has never mentioned
his name
724
01:04:30,433 --> 01:04:31,934
to only talk
about him now.
725
01:04:32,034 --> 01:04:34,103
Yes, you're absolutely right.
This is a main point.
726
01:04:34,203 --> 01:04:37,240
It's not affordable for them
to keep silence.
727
01:05:42,405 --> 01:05:43,572
Mm-hmm.
728
01:05:48,978 --> 01:05:52,181
She plays chess...
729
01:05:52,281 --> 01:05:54,016
Better than all others
in our family.
730
01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:55,818
...better than everyone
in our family
731
01:05:55,918 --> 01:05:59,188
and because
of this series...
732
01:05:59,288 --> 01:06:01,324
-Queen's Gambit.
-..."Queen's Gambit,"
733
01:06:01,424 --> 01:06:04,827
she's demanding that everyone
should play chess.
734
01:06:04,927 --> 01:06:06,095
But nobody is playing.
735
01:06:06,162 --> 01:06:07,863
That is why I'm playing
with the phone.
736
01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:11,033
I definitely prefer
"Call of Duty."
737
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,102
I definitely prefer chess.
738
01:06:14,537 --> 01:06:16,272
I prefer shopping.
739
01:06:46,502 --> 01:06:48,637
Ready for
a 12-hour flight.
740
01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,243
We have to sit down
for good luck.
741
01:06:57,513 --> 01:06:59,515
Yes.
742
01:07:19,368 --> 01:07:21,270
Starting from 13 years old,
743
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:25,775
I would think about
what would I do...
744
01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:29,278
if my dad was killed?
745
01:07:29,378 --> 01:07:32,248
We never had, like,
thetalk.
746
01:07:32,348 --> 01:07:34,950
You know, it's not --
it's not anything that you can,
747
01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:37,119
like, sit at the table
and discuss.
748
01:07:39,855 --> 01:07:42,525
So, it's nice for you,
Dasha, to see the snow.
749
01:07:42,591 --> 01:07:46,128
So much snow
before you go to L.A., right?
750
01:07:46,228 --> 01:07:48,898
There is snow in California.
751
01:07:48,964 --> 01:07:53,102
There was a point a year ago,
where my dad
752
01:07:53,202 --> 01:07:56,739
was almost not there
for my high school graduation.
753
01:07:56,806 --> 01:08:01,377
He was in jail once again
and, like, the whole day,
754
01:08:01,444 --> 01:08:05,481
I was just thinking about
how my dad would've been...
755
01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:06,982
I'm sorry.
756
01:08:07,083 --> 01:08:11,153
My dad would've been proud
to see me walk on the stage
757
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,155
and get my certificate.
758
01:08:13,255 --> 01:08:16,826
And he wouldn't get that option,
759
01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:20,328
because he was in jail
for doing the right thing.
760
01:08:27,403 --> 01:08:30,673
I know that my dad
misses Russia...
761
01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:34,844
...even though it's scary
to go back.
762
01:08:39,982 --> 01:08:42,818
And if he didn't go back,
763
01:08:42,917 --> 01:08:45,854
I would say, "You need
to go back and fight."
764
01:08:50,926 --> 01:08:52,627
It's something
worth fighting for.
765
01:10:33,696 --> 01:10:36,398
His favorite, favorite
ultimate answer
766
01:10:36,465 --> 01:10:37,967
for everything is CIA.
767
01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:12,001
Great, great, great,
great, great.
768
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:13,469
Very good.
-Of course.
769
01:11:13,569 --> 01:11:18,474
Because this is just
amazing pass to us.
770
01:11:18,574 --> 01:11:20,009
Now we have a bull,
771
01:11:20,109 --> 01:11:24,013
because he said, like, "Well,
if we want to poison him,
772
01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:26,081
of course,
we would have poisoned him."
773
01:11:26,148 --> 01:11:29,518
So, just -- just --
just we will --
774
01:11:29,618 --> 01:11:32,821
I mean, the whole argumentation,
we will smash it.
775
01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:55,611
I'm just very curious
how people will react to it,
776
01:11:55,678 --> 01:11:58,814
whether they will be as
astonished as we are, hopefully.
777
01:11:58,881 --> 01:12:02,451
'Cause nothing like that's
ever happened to anyone.
778
01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:27,676
Oh, that's totally unbelievable.
779
01:12:27,743 --> 01:12:31,046
I would never believe it
if I wasn't part of it.
780
01:12:32,181 --> 01:12:33,415
Three hundred...
781
01:12:35,918 --> 01:12:40,823
300,000 views for 20 minutes.
782
01:12:56,105 --> 01:12:57,172
One hour later,
783
01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:59,074
1 million views.
784
01:12:59,174 --> 01:13:01,510
Bjork.
785
01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:04,279
Maria. Cool.
786
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:06,548
The poisoning of Russian
dissident Alexei Navalny
787
01:13:06,615 --> 01:13:08,917
has taken
an even more bizarre turn.
788
01:13:09,017 --> 01:13:10,753
If this was a Hollywood
movie, you would say
789
01:13:10,853 --> 01:13:12,621
it was over the top,
but this is not.
790
01:13:12,721 --> 01:13:17,459
This is real and, boy, does this
conversation punch a giant hole
791
01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:18,894
in the Kremlin's narrative.
792
01:13:18,961 --> 01:13:21,630
Surely, this is hugely
embarrassing for the Kremlin
793
01:13:21,730 --> 01:13:22,798
and for the FSB.
794
01:13:22,898 --> 01:13:24,133
Oh, absolutely.
795
01:13:24,233 --> 01:13:25,968
It's embarrassing
for Mr. Kudryavtsev.
796
01:13:26,068 --> 01:13:28,070
It's embarrassing for the FSB.
797
01:13:28,137 --> 01:13:30,639
It's embarrassing
for the Kremlin.
798
01:13:30,739 --> 01:13:34,042
The FSB has said that
the video of the conversation
799
01:13:34,109 --> 01:13:36,478
posted on Navalny's
YouTube channel was fake
800
01:13:36,578 --> 01:13:39,081
and that the phone call
was a provocation
801
01:13:39,148 --> 01:13:41,150
aimed at discrediting
the agency.
802
01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:45,154
Navalny is suffering from
delusion of persecution.
803
01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:48,791
Otherwise, there's a Freudian
fixation on his own crotch area.
804
01:13:48,891 --> 01:13:51,627
This is probably how
all this should be treated.
805
01:14:23,258 --> 01:14:25,661
How is President Navalny
806
01:14:25,761 --> 01:14:28,363
different
from President Putin?
807
01:14:28,464 --> 01:14:33,502
Well, my major task
as a president just to prevent,
808
01:14:33,602 --> 01:14:35,637
you know,
this damn circle
809
01:14:35,704 --> 01:14:39,475
of re-establish
of authoritarian regime.
810
01:14:41,977 --> 01:14:43,712
In authoritarian country,
811
01:14:43,812 --> 01:14:45,714
you are pro-authoritarian leader
812
01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:48,951
or you're against
authoritarian leader.
813
01:14:49,017 --> 01:14:53,655
So, we are in more primitive
politics like human rights,
814
01:14:53,722 --> 01:14:56,291
freedom of speech,
fair election.
815
01:14:59,895 --> 01:15:02,831
The power and money,
tax money --
816
01:15:02,898 --> 01:15:05,367
they supposed to belong
to the local communities.
817
01:15:05,467 --> 01:15:08,237
And in Russia,
everything decided in Moscow.
818
01:15:08,337 --> 01:15:11,006
So, being a president
and just having this,
819
01:15:11,073 --> 01:15:14,376
you know,
big pie of my power
820
01:15:14,476 --> 01:15:17,880
and I will cut it
for the future of Russia.
821
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:14,029
I apologize.
I am sorry for the record.
822
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:15,697
But just five minutes ago,
823
01:17:15,797 --> 01:17:19,334
I told Daniel to get the fuck
out of here with his camera,
824
01:17:19,434 --> 01:17:22,704
so, like, I apologize for that,
825
01:17:22,804 --> 01:17:24,806
because, well, it's --
826
01:17:24,873 --> 01:17:26,708
Everything is, like --
827
01:17:26,808 --> 01:17:29,277
Everything is happening
in the last 10 minutes,
828
01:17:29,344 --> 01:17:32,614
and I have to make, like,
a millions of e-mails.
829
01:17:32,681 --> 01:17:35,951
And, Leonid, have a seat.
Maria, have a seat.
830
01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,687
You make me nervous because
you're standing over me, sorry.
831
01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:54,970
Ha ha ha ha.
832
01:18:09,317 --> 01:18:10,719
Sorry, I have to sit.
833
01:18:10,819 --> 01:18:13,522
It's a Russian superstition,
but it's important.
834
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:50,639
The anti-riot police
835
01:21:50,739 --> 01:21:51,940
just started arresting
everybody,
836
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,476
including journalists,
live on the air.
837
01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:56,411
This is crazy.
838
01:21:56,478 --> 01:21:59,814
Jesus. Jesus.
839
01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:01,783
I've never seen anything
like this.
840
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:11,293
There's no way they're not
going to arrest him.
841
01:22:11,393 --> 01:22:12,928
I don't think
that they will let him
842
01:22:12,994 --> 01:22:14,796
come to the front.
843
01:22:14,896 --> 01:22:16,298
I think they're going to
yank him away
844
01:22:16,398 --> 01:22:19,668
before anybody else
is let off the plane.
845
01:22:54,035 --> 01:22:57,605
This is the plane
and this is Moscow.
846
01:22:57,672 --> 01:23:00,942
And this is the plane,
and this is Moscow.
847
01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:49,724
It's a hot potato,
really.
848
01:23:49,824 --> 01:23:51,526
They're realized
that it's not possible
849
01:23:51,593 --> 01:23:53,194
to control the crowd,
850
01:23:53,261 --> 01:23:55,430
and they chickened out.
851
01:29:51,252 --> 01:29:54,956
Yulia! Yulia!
852
01:34:40,007 --> 01:34:42,243
Alexei, if you are arrested
853
01:34:42,343 --> 01:34:43,577
and thrown in prison
854
01:34:43,678 --> 01:34:46,213
or the unthinkable happens
and you're killed,
855
01:34:46,313 --> 01:34:47,748
what message
do you leave behind
856
01:34:47,848 --> 01:34:49,216
to the Russian people?
857
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,656
My message,
858
01:34:55,723 --> 01:35:00,094
for the situation
when I am killed
859
01:35:00,194 --> 01:35:02,763
is very simple -- not give up.
860
01:35:02,863 --> 01:35:05,700
Do me a favor,
answer this one in Russian.
861
01:35:07,835 --> 01:35:09,270
Um...